Why Rumblings Over Iran Don’t Surprise Me

I just wrote this on a thread on cashewlou‘s journal, but I want to expand on it a little here.

Remember that The Idiot professes to an extremist form of “christianity”–as do many of those around him, and have delusions of grandeur on top of that.

I think they believe it’s their “god”-given task to trigger the Armageddon so Jesus can return.

We first saw it explicitly 25 years ago in James Watt, who, as Secretary of the Interior, didn’t think environmentalism mattered since Jesus would be coming back within a generation or two anyway.

The doomsday cult is in charge.

Just let that thought sink in for a while. Contemplate that. The people who really believe that the end of the world is nigh and that it will be a good thing are in a position to actually bring it about.

Okay, now I’m scared. I was just pissed off before. Were there an equivalent to the famous Doomsday Clock of The Bulletin of the Atomic Scientists, I’d not hesitate at setting it at two minutes to midnight.

Your thoughts?

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16 comments so far

  1. tharain on

    I’ve been aware of this for some time. They truly believe it, and in so doing, ignore the warnings of the Christ himself, who said “Therefore be ye also ready: for in such an hour as ye think not the Son of man cometh.”

    You see, positing the theory that the prophscy of the second coming is true, they won’t know when, and my bet is they’re taking “such an hour” quite literally; they won’t know the day, but they know it’s really soon. Like, right now.

    Which people have been saying for a century or more, actually. And all of ’em crackpots.

    The point is: we don’t know, and we arenn’t supposed to know.

    They’re also looking for the Second Coming to be sort of what the people of Israel thought the first time around was going to be: all flaming swords and liberation. My bet is that it’s going ot be literally what the fundies expect and simultaneously nothing at all like they expect.

    Because, ya know, God’s just that kinda guy.

  2. avon_deer on

    For Athiests, like myself, this is the nightmare scenario.

  3. thattallguy201 on

    I believe you’re referring to Dominionists… yes, very scary folk. (See http://www.theocracywatch.org, or The Despoiling of America.)

    Minor detail quibble — their short-term goal is not directly to cause the Armageddon but to take the reins of power “in the name of God” and transform the world into a single theocratic Christian state — by the sword if necessary — that will pave the way for the Second Coming.

    And that’s an important distinction because if they wanted to cause Armageddon, they’ve got their guy with his finger on the button now. What they really want is earthly power in which an entire dynasty can take their time making the transformation as kings of the hill.

    Practically speaking, they have the potential to create the next Soviet Union-like state — the USA and whoever we conquer — and thus the next duopoly of power. And the scary part — if that weren’t enough — is that I don’t trust these people not to turn the Second Cold War into a planet-busting WWIII.

    Better to stop them now.

    • See, at this stage, I think their short-term goal is the Eschaton. I’ve said since day one that The Idiot’s exit strategy for Iraq was the Second Coming. I think he was surprised that the attack on Iraq didn’t lead to an attack on Israel, and figures he has to step things up since nothing’s moving yet on the Plain of Megiddo.

      • thattallguy201 on

        I don’t buy that, and here’s why.

        Bush is their dupe, their annointed figurehead. He was conveniently rabidly anti-Iraq because of his Daddy’s perceived incomplete job there, but any sufficiently alien-to-American-Gothics country would have done just as well. It happened to be easier to sell because of Saddam.

        But Cheney and Rove and Wolfowitz and their neocon underlings are not dupes. They have bought into this. Other than Wolfowitz and below, I don’t see them buying into anything that doesn’t provide them power/money right-here, right-now. It’s that dynasty that they get control of during the time of preparation that they want. They want to rule, couldn’t give a rat’s ass about goddish malarkey, and I daresay would have heart attacks if they actually saw Jesus physically walking into the picture. (All right, Cheney would have a heart attack. Rove would start sucking up, the amoral wretch.)

        You assume that there was an exit strategy: the Second Coming. What do I think it was instead? Quite simply, I don’t think he’s bright enough to have thought of that. I think he thought that killing or capturing Saddam would have been the climax of the movie that was the war and that everyone would live happily ever after. He doesn’t have the attention span to be bothered with details like that.

        Maybe there are Dominionists who would agree with you. I honestly think his main reason for going into Iraq was to show up his Daddy. But whether or not that’s true, what we had was a confluence of motivations toward the same goal…

        … we never had a chance of not going to war.

        • That much is true. The neocons have been calling for a new Iraq war pretty much since the last one ended.

          But the problem is, the least intelligent of them is the one who actually has his thumb on the button and can issue the order–none of the others can. And that one is so damn stupid, if Jesus walked into the Oval Office he’d think it was to reward him personally for being such a good “christian”.

          No, I don’t think Wolfowitz and Rumsfeld (who, by the bye, is actually an atheist) and Rice and Cheney are really thinking of anything more than temporal power. But the one with the legal authority really does believe his own PR, and that should scare the shit out of every single human being who lives in Reality World.

    • Oh, here’s the corrected link to Theocracy Watch. Vital site. :)

  4. dragonscholar on

    I’ve been hearing this for years, and it’s true.

    People who believe in the end of the world should not have nuclear weapons.

  5. cashewlou on

    I am astonished the doomsday clock is at seven minutes to midnight. I think with the Bush Reich in charge, it should be at about 4:58 a.m.

    • Likewise. It hasn’t been moved since 2002.

      • cashewlou on

        In all seriousness, with the rising likelihood of nuclear-armed attacks on Iran looming over us, I would not be surprised if they move it to one minute to midnight.

        • Only if they do so explicitly laying the blame at the feet of Dumbass. You know, it’s been so long since the BTAS clock appeared in the news, it might be a wakeup call. Some of us remember vividly when it was moved to Three Minutes to Midnight in the early 80s.

  6. jayteeone on

    I keep telling you people, Bush is the anti-Christ, he is here to lead the people of God astray. His brand of religion says it’s okay to let the hungry starve, the naked go naked, the sick to go untreated, and the imprisoned to rot without comfort. All against what was expressed very succinctly by Jesus. On top of that he wants to trigger Armegeddon, not because he want Christ to return in glory, but because he believes he can defeat Him in battle. His megalomania is without limits.

    • His behavior has been clinically sociopathic since stealing the office the first time–he genuinely has no awareness of the consequences of his actions. If he were just a guy on the street acting the way he does–attacking people because he believes they’re armed and about to attack him, attacking people who happen to be in the vicinity of someone who really did attack him on the belief they’re colluding, and of course the serial lying, he’d’ve been locked up for his own–and society’s–safety.

  7. jayteeone on

    An intersting historical sidenote: One of Jesus’ followers was Simon the Zealot. The Zealots were devout Jews who believe the coming of the Messiah was nigh. They would do things to the Romans, and to other non-believers in hopes of causing the Eschaton (end time), and the coming of the Messiah.


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